“I don’t like the way that culture goes, especially in Brazil, and especially if you turn on the TV. I don’t like the way a lot of things are made these days, a good reference for me is the ’20s and ’30s when everything was handcrafted and handmade and focused. Ipods and cell phones? I feel like you have to keep getting a new one all the time and for me that’s bullshit.”

Under Rocks speaks to Santiago from São Paulo.

“All my life I was fortunate to do or not do whatever I wanted. With an immense amount of effort, of course…I never had the intention to be different. I never wanted to be hip or whatever, I just wanted to do my own thing. That’s all.”

Whilst in Berlin, Under Rocks speaks with Thom Piston.